Condor 2 vs. Condor 3

David 15.11.2024 05:47:01

Good flight , Peter in the Pegasus. Glad you got time to fly.

Peter 15.11.2024 04:34:38

Thanks. It was a hard flight, Condor 3 is more challenging, but it's worth to do

David 15.11.2024 01:56:10

Good flight , Peter in the Pegasus. Glad you got time to fly.

Peter 14.11.2024 20:11:59

I try to make it as equal as possible flying C3 and C2. My solution for the wind speed will be, that the faktor (now fix 1,5) can be set in the task, seperate for wind speed and upper wind speed. So we can try to find the best faktor. Task J will keep 1,5, if I not see today, that it is complete unfair

David 14.11.2024 19:15:36

I still intend to use Condor 2 to finish on Vintage series 24 ,J tasks. And will probably use it until I can't anymore.

David 14.11.2024 18:50:31

I believe we this discussion a long time ago , when creating landscapes in higher elevations , like Finger Lakes. I Condor 2 the cloud bases were measured from MSL and inversion from AGL, or visa versa.

I now just use the flight plan and don't create a flight plan. It takes too much time and effort and I want to compare my flight s with others. As far as when I want , its perfect. I don't have to wait till the server is up as its difficult to only fly when it counts on multi player flights.

Peter 14.11.2024 18:05:37

Another change because of a discussion in Condor forum. Windspeed you need for to fly ridge in Condor 3 is much more than before. Wickid wrote about 35 km/h. Before you could fly ridges with 23 km/h. Windspeed definition will be translated in Condor 3 with factor 1,5, so 20 km/h in Condor 2 will be 30 km/h in Condor 3. Flight plans are changed again. Will see, how this will work

Peter 14.11.2024 14:17:16

Done. From now an you have to define the airport height when creating your own flight plan. I think I marked it very clear in the dialog. Flying Condor 2 airport height always has to be 0 m, flying Condor 3 you choose the airport height from a list with 50 m steps. Choose as close as possible to the airport height. For to prevent from mistakes I added a tolerance of 50 m + and - when checking the flight plan. It's not tested yet, but will tonight. If your flight is not accepted, please upload the igc file here, so I can check, if something is wrong.
I think, it's the best solution to keep the idea of the series

The flight plans on the servers are changed, same in the task document. I keep the OneDesign this month as it is, because there is only a difference of less than 100 m.

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Peter 14.11.2024 08:22:50

After a good discussion with my dog in strong wind outside ;-) I go to the option 1. That means: Please don't fly Condor 3 now in VS24, until I'm ready with the change. But I'm very busy today, maybe tomorrow. OneDesign is no problem, because the airport height is very low

Peter 14.11.2024 07:09:20

Here the picture of task J in Condor 3, when I set the inversion height depending on the airport height (it's not done exactly, but weather looks very similar to C2)
I think I will go to option one, creating the flight plan with the airport height

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Peter 14.11.2024 06:36:05

I found the reason for the difference. Condor 2 calculates inversion height ASL, but Condor 3 AGL. That means, in Condor 3 the inversion height is always absolute the same, if you start in flat land or high in the mountains. See the picture, task J in Unterwössen C2 and C3, and the same task not flyable somewhere high on BFG. I have to think, how we will manage that. If I calculate inversion height depending on the airport height, you have to create for every different airport a flight plan, where you have to define the airport altitude manual, because it's not in the fpl file. That means if you do that wrong (what happens easily), your flight is not valid. I don't like that. Option 2 is to use for all categories fixed flight plans like in OneDesign. It destroys the idea of VS flying where you want. But in reality we nearly always fly at the same place. Option 3 is to ignore inversion height, but then the weather is very different. If we let it like it is now there will be a huge disadvantage flying in higher regions. I don't like any of these options, in Germany we say its the choice between plague and cholera.
I have to think ...

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Peter 13.11.2024 23:56:38

And here Condor 3. Have a lot to think in the next time

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Peter 13.11.2024 23:55:51

I compared today the weather of task J between Condor 2 and Condor 3. Task I was much better in Condor 3, but task J looks different. Here the picture of Condor 2

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